Curse

Savio · Feb 25, 2006, 12:39 PM // 12:39

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Originally Posted by Rallymonkey

1) Don't use Frenzy. Ever. It's sad when I have to tell PUGs that if I see frenzy, I stop healing them. It's sadder when the idiots try to test me on that. Here's a little math for you: 80/2 = 40. 40 < 60. There's plenty of ways to up your damage output without giving yourself less defense than the weakest classes in the game.

96 (Glad's + shield vs elemental) - 40 (approximate doubling of damage) = 56. 56 < 60 by 4 AL. Against physical it's 116 - 40 = 76. Assuming there is no "Watch Yourself!" or Dolyak Signet up. Where in Frenzy's description does it say AL is halved, and what are these magical ways of buffing your attacks better than Frenzy?

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2) Warriors don't need to call energy. Monks call their energy for a reason. Wamoes don't need to call their energy back, we know its 2X/2X, and we don't care.

Why does the Monk have to call energy unless they're at 0 for some reason? Does the Monk not have energy management?

Bloom · Feb 25, 2006, 01:07 PM // 13:07

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Originally Posted by Savio

Why does the Monk have to call energy unless they're at 0 for some reason? Does the Monk not have energy management?

To stop the wammo charging into the next mob?

The Real Roy Keane · Feb 25, 2006, 01:51 PM // 13:51

I'm sure all the competent,mature monks are ignoring the strike,so there's no need to get all upset..

XvArchonvX · Feb 25, 2006, 02:00 PM // 14:00

Simply by the fact that this thread is now about 14 pages long and has huuuge posts be each person shows that some people are taking this waaaaaaay too seriously.

I for one was one of the first monks out there in the protest at around 11:00 central time, but quite frankly was disgusted at those who got seriously riled up and exchanged malicious insults.

Also, as per the response last night from not one, but TWO A-net employees, I believe that us monks got what we were asking for. If two a-net employees showing up and talking with the monks along with giving exclusive information on upcoming events/changes is not respect, then I don't know what is.

*drops his protest sign and walks away peacefully and content to go back to his normal monking duties*

fenix · Feb 25, 2006, 02:08 PM // 14:08

Funny thing is, good monks wouldnt complain, because there's nothing to complain about if you are a good monk. I've been in quite a few groups where tanks have aggro'd and taken big damage, but I've always kept them alive. Obviously the monks protesting aren't very good at their job, because if you are half decent at healing or prot, the tanks wouldn't be dying so easily.

XvArchonvX · Feb 25, 2006, 02:12 PM // 14:12

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Originally Posted by talon

Funny thing is, good monks wouldnt complain, because there's nothing to complain about if you are a good monk. I've been in quite a few groups where tanks have aggro'd and taken big damage, but I've always kept them alive. Obviously the monks protesting aren't very good at their job, because if you are half decent at healing or prot, the tanks wouldn't be dying so easily.

Stereotyping is just as immature as those who did it on both sides during the strike and took it seriously, and I don't appreciate you applying it in the form of an insult to those who you do not know simply because there was a strike. From my experiece most people joined in as more of a uniting of monks and large dance party than an actual display of unease.

Oh, and no you can't heal your whole party if they are on different sides of the map. A tank using frenzy + heal sig when being attacked can be a bit hard to heal at times too, especially if they have dp.

Xue Yi Liang · Feb 25, 2006, 02:12 PM // 14:12

OMG.

Why didn't this happen months ago when I was still playing GW regularly and monking madly?

Now I'm forced to log on again ... to see.

brilliant.

BTW - someone mentioned a possible mesmer strike? ... would anyone even notice? j/k.

Kakumei · Feb 25, 2006, 02:15 PM // 14:15

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Originally Posted by Rallymonkey

1) Don't use Frenzy. Ever. It's sad when I have to tell PUGs that if I see frenzy, I stop healing them. It's sadder when the idiots try to test me on that. Here's a little math for you: 80/2 = 40. 40 < 60. There's plenty of ways to up your damage output without giving yourself less defense than the weakest classes in the game.

Yeah man screw using one of the best methods to up basic DPS that's just DUMB and will not be tolerated!!!

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Originally Posted by Rallymonkey

3) Don't call your life. I know all monks are evil, don't heal, and are just there to leech drops, but we do look over at the party window every now and then. We know what your life is. We know if you're dead, which brings up my next point...

And to do a complete one-eighty, yes, I fully agree with you there. Don't call health. I certainly don't like it, and saying 'heal plz wtf dumb monk' is simply tantamount to suicide.

now STOP THIS THREAD it is a waste of TIME

Medion · Feb 25, 2006, 02:17 PM // 14:17

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Oh, and no you can't heal your whole party if they are on different sides of the map. A tank using frenzy + heal sig when being attacked can be a bit hard to heal at times too, especially if they have dp.

WHAT?!? You are complaining about that warrior when he is actually helping you heal himself?!

You guys are never happy are you?

Sagius Truthbarron · Feb 25, 2006, 02:18 PM // 14:18

I'm using Heal Other!
I'm using Dwayna's Kiss!
I'm using Dwayna's Kiss!
I'm using Dwayna's Kiss!
I'm using Dwayna's Kiss!
I'm using Dwayna's Kiss!
I'm using Dwayna's Kiss!
I'm using Dwayna's Kiss!
I'm using Word of Healing!
My Energy is 0 of 62!

That's a Thunderhead Keep monk for you

Kakumei · Feb 25, 2006, 02:19 PM // 14:19

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Originally Posted by Medion

WHAT?!? You are complaining about that warrior when he is actually helping you heal himself?!

You guys are never happy are you?

There's an enormous difference between using Healing Signet judiciously and hitting Frenzy immediately before they try to heal themselves.

SilentAssassin · Feb 25, 2006, 02:20 PM // 14:20

alot of bs here, but still its a nice read

Monks can go on a strike, I don't care, it's funny

seut · Feb 25, 2006, 02:22 PM // 14:22

Contrary to my expectation, that all monks will leave THK after the strike, a lot stayed and help people doing the mission. If you are stuck in this mission, you should go there now. Maybe a once in a lifetime chance.

wren e · Feb 25, 2006, 02:25 PM // 14:25

I haven't read the entire post, but lets be fair to the monks they do their best to keep the team alive. I have never beratted a monk when I played as an ele or a warrior. Now that, I am going through as a monk, I see so many players aggroeing everything in sight, being in the desert missions still wearing pre armor (I really hate this one, makes my job almost imposible, might as well do the mission naked), or just have a bad attitude. I'm not the best monk in the world, but I do know how to kite effectively and have good energy mangament skills. I learned to monk the hard way, by gvging in a two monk backline where any mistake is costly. My opinion is that, I don't think that monks should charge for their services, but they need to be shown respect. If they do a good job for you, let them know this, and if they make a mistake, be tactful when letting them know this. Because a true monk strike would be going into a mission with a group and then refusing to heal them.

Medion · Feb 25, 2006, 02:34 PM // 14:34

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There's an enormous difference between using Healing Signet judiciously and hitting Frenzy immediately before they try to heal themselves.

sorry forgot to say:

/endsarcasm

fenix · Feb 25, 2006, 02:36 PM // 14:36

Archon, you are taking this too seriously. Obviously you have had a bad experience as a monk, or you just aren't good at it. The majority of people here are putting forward their reasons for or against a strike, whereas you seem to be totally against everyone who wasn't there. I play both a monk and a tank with Frenzy and Healing Signet. Frenzy is one of the best ways to deal fast damage, and as long as you aren't taking too much damage, is safe to use. Everyone seems scared by the -40 armor from Healing Signet, but the majority of the time, it doesn't have much of an affect, unless you try to use it while being attacked by more than 2 enemies, which is stupid.

Why would your party be on different sides of the map? This is clearly either an exaggeration or poor teamwork, not anything to do with the skill level of the monk or tank in this scenario.

Str0b0 · Feb 25, 2006, 02:37 PM // 14:37

I love how people are either too lazy to read my posts or would rather mock my opinions than give them any serious consideration. Especially since I went out of my way not to insult, either backhandedly or directly, anyone else who shared a differing opinion from me. While normally I'd lay into you people with a vengence I'm going to be the bigger person here.

For the one person who, for whatever reason, can't be bothered to read my last post and wanted a summary here it is. " The strike was stupid, the players should have squashed it before it started. Once it did start A Net should have squashed it. Why? Because even the most innocuous stunts inevitably end up in a name calling match, which I point out this incident did, and people end up getting in more serious trouble for it when all it would have taken was someone from A Net saying "Hey knock it off."

As for me being "determined" to see the worst in people on this well in my opinion anyone that thinks this was just a harmless little incident with no repercussions is just naive. I predict more junk like this happening and I predict a continued cheapening of the game because of it, as well as other factors like cheating and second party gold sales. If I see the worst in people then it's only because that's the part people tend to display the most prominently.

fenix · Feb 25, 2006, 02:47 PM // 14:47

I went to THK about 3 hours ago, wanted to get it finished on my Monk, hadn't bothered doing the mission in 8 months, as I had made other characters, and used my monk for PvP. Decided that everyone who was there was clearly not interested in completing the mission, so I grabbed 7 henchmen (Necro hench missed out), and entered the mission. An hour later I had the mission and bonus finished.

The point is; Everyone out there who thinks the mission is hard, and you need monks for it, grab the Henchmen. They might make mistakes sometimes, but if you go through carefully, they are often much better than some of the monks you see around. The best part is; they don't complain about anything

Desbreko · Feb 25, 2006, 03:05 PM // 15:05

I find this hilarious, considering I've gotten a grand total of one flame in all my 500+ hours of monking. Which is more than made up for by the countless compliments I've received.

Sagius Truthbarron · Feb 25, 2006, 03:07 PM // 15:07

Desbreko, perhaps its becuase you have energy management, and don't use Firestorm